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Thanks Michael. There is clearly something we are missing. Why would anybody be dumping metal on COME? Who could have a reason to do that? Who is the HSBC customer?

Earlier today, silver closed at RMB 8,335/kg in Shanghai. As of right now, silver is trading at RMB 8,032/kg in London. Shanghai is the largest venue in the World for trading physical silver but it is not setting the price. If you were China, would you be happy about that?

What I am about to say is pure speculation, born of the need to try to identify your 'HSBC customer'. Here comes the 'what if'.... what if HSBC is acting as agent for China?

Why would China want to dump metal?

Because it is the quickest way to break the LBMA and COMEX and leave Shanghai as the last man standing. It would make Shanghai the price setting venue.

19.9m ounces (about 600 tonnes) is worth about $600m and China wouldn't even be making a loss because they have lots of physical, they bought years ago at much lower prices. They can easily afford to dump a few thousand tonnes and don't even need to buy it at 'remote locations'... they already have the physical... so they are not even at risk of a short squeeze.

By doing this, the price of silver is suppressed and the other bullion banks carry on shorting (just as they always have). China stands on the other side and buys some of this metal and takes delivery... so they don't even need to use all their own physical, to settle HSBC's short. The buy/sell spread will be pennies and they would know when to buy and when to sell. BUT in the process, they drain metal out of COMEX and COMEX drains metal out of London. Low prices encourage others to take delivery, speeding up the process. Everyone laughs and says "Who is this crazy HSBC account?"

Over a period of two or three years, somebody doing the above would slowly strangle COMEX and the LBMA... draining all available metal... causing them to default... and leaving Shanghai as the global price setting venue. It would all happen slowly and it wouldn't be noticed until the end, when COMEX and LBMA have no metal left.

As I said, this is speculation. It might be somebody else... but who else has a reason to dump metal at low prices?

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VBL's avatar
Mar 28Edited

Michael, Clearly, these accounts that are labeled “customer“ are not true customers as you note. No responsible Bullion bank would allow a customer to go that close to final notice day with an open position that big. It makes perfect sense that it’s a house account being hidden. But there is something else to consider. And it’s actually worse. Bullion banks will frequently open accounts at other Bullion banks to do the same thing you’re talking about so who else would HSBC permit to carry a short position that long that was a “customer“ other than themselves? Someone like JP Morgan.. Or another Bullion bank. This aberration that you’ve uncovered over the last year or so reveals some pretty heinous stuff, possibly racketeering. They’ve done it before Trading with each other in a sort of daisy chain pattern to make sure neither goes out of business.

Cheers and good luck here

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